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This blog is a warning to those contemplating marriage from a man who has been married since early 2008.
It all started in the beginning of January, 2008, after four months of dating my then-girlfriend-now-wife. I had just returned from a Christmas trip overseas, and a few days went by before she told me her period was late. Being ever the optimist, I just wrote it off as something that women go through every once in a while and dismissed her concerns, telling her it was natural and it sometimes just happened. We were using protection. How could she possibly be pregnant?
Then a few more days went by. A week. Two weeks. Still, no period. I think at that time, I knew I was absolutely screwed, but I still held out the hope that this was just something her body was going through, and that it wasn't the end of everything I had worked so hard to achieve. I'll never forget the day when I heard the news: January 24th, 2008. She wanted definitive confirmation of whether or not she was pregnant, and had taken a birth control test from a local store.
Positive. Then, in a panic, she tried another: positive. She hurriedly called me, frantic that she was going to have a baby with someone she had only known for a few months. I reassured her that it couldn't be true, and even if it was, that I would take care of her. I meant what I said, and my actions since then have certainly proven my honesty. But at the time, I still held out the hope that this was all a mistake, a dream, something, anything but a baby. She told me that that night, she would go to the hospital to make absolutely sure if she was pregnant or not.
I went to work, taught my students, and was on my way home at around 9:00 that night. I was walking my usual way home, when I felt my cellphone begin to buzz in my pocket, indicating an incoming text message.
Everything slowly went dark. Vibrant shops and bustling people turned into colorless blobs and were reduced into obstacles I didn't want to walk into. All of my dreams fled my mind in an instant, and were replaced with defeat and pessimism. A sudden weight bore down upon my shoulders, a feeling which has not left me to this day. How did I know she was pregnant? If she weren't, I reasoned, she would have called me, not texted me. Already knowing the answer, I opened my phone, and read the confirmation of the end of my life.
Being in shock, I don't remember quite what I said to her when I called her back. It was probably something comforting, letting her know I would take care of her and the baby no matter what. I vaguely remember that after I hung up, I wandered home in a daze, showered, then went to bed, hoping that when I woke up, it would all have been a dream.
It wasn't. I woke up the next day feeling as helpless and defeated as I did the night before. Not long after the news came, she pressured me into marrying quickly, because people over here "tend to talk" when a pregnant girl is not married with the man who fathered her child. I obliged, and we were married a month later.
During the time we had gotten the news, but were still living apart, I was trying to live up my life as best I could before I officially lost everything. When she wasn't over at my place, I traveled as much as possible, hung with my friends, spent as much time alone as I could, did everything I knew I wouldn't be able to once we moved in together. But all the while, the stress of everything I had just lost was weighing down on my shoulders, and soon enough, my job contract was up, we moved in together, and my son was born not long after.
I'm going to get into the things I've lost and how miserable my life is in future blog posts. This introductory post shall serve simply to explain my overall situation.
Marriage is the best decision I have ever made for everyone around me. Coming from a family of at least three generations of abandonment, abuse and neglect, I was one of the first to break the cycle and stick around to raise his kids right. Every person in my life has been enriched by my decision:
- My wife has a husband and son, when she thought she would never have either, and I paid off her unpaid back taxes and college debts. I also gave her her own place to live and got her out of her mom's house. She has frequently told me that she is more emotionally mature than before, and much, much happier with her life.
- My mother-in-law has a grandson to dote on, I personally paid off her massive bank debt, and I'm also supporting her, since she's too old to work.
- My sister-in-law has a nephew to dote on, in addition to me, again, paying off some of her debts while she was unemployed for two years.
- My mother has a grandson to dote on.
- My sister has a role model to look up to as a good parent to her own surprise child.
- My son has the father and life I never had growing up, living in a house of fun, love and discipline to grow to be a strong and honorable man.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for all involved. Everyone made out like a bandit, right?
No.
Marriage is the worst decision I have ever made for myself. I've had years to sort this out, and I can definitively say that, aside from my son, marriage has provided me nothing I couldn't have gotten anywhere else. More importantly, it has robbed me of nearly everything that made my life worth living, and given me little else than problems in return.
In short, this is what marriage has given me:
- More stress.
- More work.
- More chores.
- More debts.
- More drama.
- A family, which is primarily hard work, routine and sacrifice, with only scattered, isolated moments of happiness and fun.
And this is what marriage has taken from me:
- My money.
- My emotional stability.
- My dreams.
- My free time.
- My freedom.
If you wish to know more of what I have learned and experienced as a married man, at the bottom of this post are three labels:
- For essays or experiences on why marriage will drain and ruin you, especially if you are a man, click "Problems."
- If you already tied the noose and need advice on how to deal with your life and/or awful wife, click "Solutions."
- To compare an unmarried man's life to that of a married man, click "Then and Now."
Next, my policy on commenting: I will not censor comments, positive or negative, provided they contain nothing illegal or threatening, or aren't blatant spam trying to advertise something. On the other hand, I don't expect rational discussion over a topic so enmeshed with tribalism and the biological drive for sex or children, so to save yourself some time, try not to leave comments that marginalize me, or derail the conversation from the points I've brought up. As such, you should avoid:
1. Changing the subject
"You should have known what could happen with a girlfriend."
"I wouldn't want someone like you as a husband."
"Why should I believe someone who was short-sighted enough to smoke cigarettes and get cancer?"
"You'll get no pity from me."
"And yet, life goes on."
"You just married the wrong person."
You can discuss other things on this blog, but if you're trying to sell marriage, acknowledge my major points first.
2. Namecalling and loaded language
"You're a bitter loser."
"Why should I listen to a misogynist?"
"Stop whining."
"Learn to be more mature."
"Wow... this blog is pathetic."
Smearing my character or acting dismissive doesn't change the logic of my statements.
3. Strawman
"More chores doesn't make marriage bad."
"You wrote an entire blog just looking for people to take your side?"
"You should go back to your bar and club girls."
"Why do you want people to abandon their children?"
"Just because you have a bad marriage doesn't mean all marriage is bad."
Please don't stuff words in my mouth (or make baseless and false assumptions), then declare victory over your caricature.
4. Denial
"You're a liar." (Fail to mention how)
"You're wrong." (Fail to mention why)
"Shut up."
"Go away."
Just saying the first two doesn't make them true, and all four variants of the same logical fallacy are only intended to get me to shut down without logically acknowledging my points.
5. Arguing from exception
"I'm happily married, so you're wrong."
"My friend is happily married, so you're wrong."
"Not all women/marriages/etc... are like that."
Finding one, or a small handful, of exceptions to a general rule is intellectually dishonest, because you fail to address the logic or evidence of the rule. The only thing you succeed in doing with this logical fallacy is proving that an exception exists, but unless I use the word "all" to describe marriage or anything else about it, then you are proving nothing.
6. Postmodernism / Relativism
"You do realize that other people like different things than you, right?"
"Am I not allowed to have my own views?"
"Well, that's your opinion."
"Let's agree to disagree."
My logically sound views being different from other people's less convincing ones doesn't make mine unworthy of consideration, and it doesn't equate the two in any way.
The current record, and apparently most popular combination, for intellectual dishonesty is Changing the subject, Namecalling and Strawman, 3/6. I have spoken to less than a dozen people online about marriage, but this same exact combination actually happened in no less than four different places from four completely different people, showing the prevalence of this kind of refutation. Basically, ignore the message, then attack a caricature of the messenger in an effort to smear him. I would appreciate it if you were not like these people, or the dozens of others who mix and match the above methods to champion marriage with few to no convincing points whatsoever.
Finally, I want to thank all the well wishes and posts of concern about my current status, which is quite different from what this top post introduced (i.e. my life leading up to 2012). If you don't wish to poke around my blog to find the important posts that led to me changing my life, this is the most important:
2012-2013 Marriage Review
Think like your life would be without your son and then come back here.
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Beautiful blog post. I do love that I had two kids. That's kind of priceless for me. Thank God my x wife didn't hurt me at all in our divorce. She actually was an angel and a great mother to my kids. All my friends however were completely decimated financially and emotionally, and real slaves to and as a result of choosing married lives. Your insights here are brilliant. Thank you brother.
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DeleteThink what your life would be like without your son and then come back here.
ReplyDeleteThis is the saddest blog I've read in a long time. But I don't feel pity for you, because you made this happen. Your wife probably isn't happy either. I doubt she wanted to be married to a miserable grouch for the rest of her life.
ReplyDeleteBut whatever. You should probably just divorce her and stay in a city close to your son. You can stay with him that way.
You are full of recommendations for others. I bet your life is perfect!
DeleteMarriage is definitely the worst decision of my life. My wife is a self centered person who doesn't want to think about others. It's only about her and only her. Sadly. I blame the system that made a devil out of her.
ReplyDeleteI was once married with a woman as yours. It lasted three terrible years. Once we broke off, I felt so happy and full of life again.
DeleteToday's system and culture really made a mess of things, for sure. But even for me, in a place with a relatively fair system and culture, I still think marriage is a horrible idea; should only ever be done if there's a child involved.
ReplyDeleteI hope some of my words can help you with your personal ogre, and thank you for your comment.
I feel forced to be intellectually dishonest, and claim you at least had a choice, but in truth you really didn't. I was in your shoes with the exception that I was purposely tricked, or set up - a setup I liken to being raped non-stop for twenty years over a child I wanted (albeit with a human being for a mother, not an animal pretending to be human) with a woman I would refuse under any circumstances. Any woman who in effect cons a man into getting her pregnant, and then has the choice of acquiring a slave, or if he refuses, the consolation of destroying his life, is only pretending to be part of the human species.
ReplyDeleteAnd I can't let it go, almost every woman I know will condone and defend her tactics. As a result I've become a confirmed misogynist, (it is an unpleasant truth, but a truth nonetheless).
Women by nature are deceivers, they feel it's their right. For the vast majority of them, there is no truth, no loyalty, no live-and-let live, no civilized behaviour, unless it's in their interests. That the woman who had your child did not have an accident This I predict is a 99.999% probability - you got caught in something society lied to you about the chances of happening. The 'oops I'm pregnant' is the actual worlds oldest profession.
If I had a son (instead of a daughter I never see), I would teach him all women are liars - congenital liars - and that sex is a con to induce part you from your own life and choice.
However, I think men are starting to wake up, because the present state to things is destroying everything. I thank you for your page and wish you the best.
So much truth here. You are 100% this culture and society panders to women to the detriment/expense of men and since giving women the right to vote essentially was the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to politicos (every bit as self-serving and disgusting as modern women today). No party (women in this case) will every willing accede power back when they are in the drivers seat of privilege or entitlements as they are now. The best option is to give women absolutelly NOTHING... no cohabitiation, none of your seed/DNA, no attention, NADA. They certainly have earned that much and so much more.
DeleteNo intellectual dishonesty noticed, brother; anybody can talk about anything on my page, but only defenders of marriage (which you are not) need to avoid changing the subject.
ReplyDeleteMy son will absolutely know exactly the nature of today's women and society, especially since he'll probably go back to America for college. I will not send him out unprepared like I was by a single mother and woman-worshipping media.
I also once hated women when I learned of the nature of my wife's behavior in our marriage prior to 2012 (https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/married-men-post-here-if-you-hate-your-life-2 is the page that woke me up, if you'd like to take a read). But as hard as it is, I try to remove all anger from my heart and life because it poisoned nobody but myself.
Besides, they use anger as a way to control you, and I don't want to give them the power. I now simply understand women, which makes it hard for me to take most of them seriously.
Thanks for the tip on my son, and know fully that he will understand how men should be when it comes to women and the laws that back up their reptilian behavior. Never show weakness, never put them above you, do not cohabitate, do not impregnate, do not marry.
The current legal system and social attitudes just encourage and actually incentivize the worst aspects of female nature. Before feminism and everything else that that abomination entails, women and their nature were kept in check, and rightfully so, for the benefit of both men and women.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Living in a more equal society makes my marriage more tolerable than most English-speaking countries because my wife can't threaten me with the legal system, and the women around here are certainly more feminine than the masculine, cussing, tattooed, confrontational, selfish and abrasive ones I left behind back home.
DeleteAnd that being said, marriage is still an awful idea. I screwed my life getting married, and encourage all childless men out there to avoid making my mistake.
Well said!!
DeleteYou didn't mention the country that you are living in. But I was thinking that if a man lives in a country where prostitution was legal, cheap and readily accesible with relatively attractive young women, wouldn't that affect how the normal women act and behave towards men? If a woman knew that a man could get sex easily elsewhere and at anytime, wouldn't they be more "well behaved" and not use sex as a manipulation tool? I was thinking that women would work harder in relationships, be more cooperative and actually be easier to deal with in such a society. This is just a theory, as I have no experience since I live in the US.
ReplyDeleteI keep my location quiet for now, at least until my kid heads off to college in about ten years.
DeleteAnd I don't know about the prostitution situation. The women's behavior is almost certainly a reflection of strong, traditional parents and society's strong condemnation of sluttiness through constant partner-swapping. It all reminds me of the 80s and 90s in the USA, and like America, I see cracks starting to form with women dating thugs here and there and getting tattoos, most men doubling down on provider and beta behavior, etc...
I give this place another twenty or so years, and it'll probably be as degenerate as the States.
I find your argument strange. Masturbation is a form of sex. Phone sex and webcam sex are legal. Webcam women and phone sex girls are prostitutes.
DeleteI guess your argument is asking whether physical, one on one prostitution were legal. I think that is legal some places in the United States, such as Nevada. So I guess you could try to find out what women are like there.
However, I suspect that it changes nothing. Interactive masturbation via webcam shows in my experience doesn't change many women all that much.
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DeleteMany American men seem to think that foreign women are better for marriage. But women seem to be the same, no matter where they come from, when they are living in the same society - foreign women become "Americanized" when brought to the US and get the same attitude.
ReplyDeleteI agree that marriage is not reasonable, and not even natural when you look at the psychology and biology of humans (about 50% of marriages end within 15 years in the western world). For two people to bind themselves to each other exclusively for life is not rational, and to base ones' happiness and fulfillment on another human being is destructive, all human beings are flawed, can change and will dissappoint. Humans are just not psychological designed to long term or even permanent life-long mating pair bond, as in marriage. There is the Coolidge Effect, where both men and women eventually do not want to have sex with each other, but can have other, different partners without any problem. I think many long term marriages are probably sexless, or have very infrequent sex if at all - Marriage goes against biological instinct and it's hard for people to override primitive, natural behavior.
Thanks for this blog, I know it probably isn't easy to talk about this stuff.
I'm reading the book: "Anatomy of Female Power" by Chinweizu, and it is definitely eye opening. In marriage, women are the master and men are the slave according to the author.
Have you done a paternity test on your son?
ReplyDeleteForeign women have a better attitude than western women before marriage, but become the exact same unmanageable harpies if you don't keep your pimp hand strong. The only difference between marriage in English speaking countries and marriage elsewhere is that governments elsewhere don't allow wives to visit violence by proxy through the police and court system, at any time, for any reason, thus keeping her husband on a tight and frightened leash at all moments. When I realized how the government wouldn't discriminate against me here for being a man, I put my foot down and never let up with my wife. She follows all my decisions now, and is only allowed to offer suggestions. Treating her any more lax would return us to her 2010-2012 behavior.
ReplyDeleteI haven't done a pregnancy test on my son, no. Even if he weren't biologically related to me (and his facial features and two genetic body quirks say he is), I've been with him for almost seven years and wouldn't leave him anyway. Divorcing his mom would hurt him deeply, and I only have twelve years left before I can be free again.
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ReplyDeletehttp://uncabob.blogspot.com/2015/05/matrimony-holy-or-otherwise.html
Agree completely. Thanks for the blog!
DeleteBob Wallaces' blog (UncleBob's Treehouse) is good, full of sage wisdom about life and things in general. He doesn't buy into all of the manosphere stuff, but goes back to the Ancients and their wisdom about life and human nature (Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Marcus Aurelius, etc.).
DeleteI just spent the morning devouring months of the man's material, and wish I had found it a lot earlier.
DeleteYou're being too hard on yourself by staying married, if you're really not happy and would rather be single. Kids are more resilient than you think. If you, or your wife, or both, dislike each other, the child will pick up on this, and this tension will hurt him more. By staying married, you can be actually be causing more harm, than good.
ReplyDelete5 reasons kids from unhappy homes say it's better to divorce than stay married:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27/kids-and-divorce-_n_4676361.html
http://www.parents.com/advice/parenting/relationships/should-i-stay-in-my-marriage-for-the-kids/
http://responsibledivorce.com/advice/misguided.htm
If you're in a country that doesn't have such an anti-male family court system and divorce laws, you have an option most miserable married American men would give their right arm for. By divorcing or separating from your wife now, now that he is young, and you too by the way, you can give yourself and him a better life. Twelve years is a long time to be miserable, and it's not necessary. If you're happy, your son will obviously see this happiness and that will make him happy too, and life will continue.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the advice. I need to put up an update on the main page that shows the change in my marriage so people don't think I'm still miserable here; I'm completely neutral now:
ReplyDeletehttp://marriageispurgatory.blogspot.com/search/label/Solutions
I checked the three linked articles. Two of them were written by women, no doubt trying to rationalize them nuking their marriages because they're too childish to stop s*** testing and arguing with, and be more appreciative of, their provider husbands. The last was written by a man who said that being divorced was better than being in a fighting house, which I no longer live in and have not lived in since this post:
http://marriageispurgatory.blogspot.com/2012/11/last-fight.html
My marriage now is boring, much more boring than my single life, but it's not painful anymore. Divorcing would only lead to my son missing out on time with both his mother and father, and increase his risk of trouble in the future, which the stats on children of divorce show.
Even if I got my freedom back by divorcing, I still wouldn't be able to travel (which is my dream) because I have a child. He can't go anywhere with me if his mom and I are separated, and I won't leave him. Staying married until he heads to college is the best choice for him, and I can travel again when he's off.
No worrying is necessary for me; I just want other men not to make my mistake. Keep your unmarried friends strong, brothers.
I'm glad your doing better now. Reading your blog is very informative, but it is some really depressing shit. I was waiting for your "I want to slit my wrists" blog post.
DeleteThank God for the internet, youtube and blogs. I would have never learned about this information about marriage and divorce if it wasn't for this stuff. I get it now, and I've definitely made a mental note to myself: Do not get married ever.
Hey! I read a few of your posts and was shocked and amazed at how much money you spend on female relatives. Why exactly do you pay for your mother-in-law's debt? And why do you hand your wife so much cash when she clearly has a spending problem? This is not meant as an offense, I'm just curious why you'd do those things.
ReplyDeleteOne more point: what kind of protection where you using when the accident happened?
Best of luck to you man and thanks for educating younger folks like me!
Thanks for reading and I'm glad you're getting something out of this blog.
DeleteI was using condoms in the beginning, but then my girlfriend/wife went on the pill and said we didn't have to use condoms anymore. If you haven't been around the net learning about this, it's a pretty common form of spermjacking for a woman to pretend to be on the pill to entrap her boyfriend. Never trust a woman who says she's on the pill; either wrap it up, get a vasectomy, or abstain if you don't want to be enslaved for the next two decades.
My mother-in-law's debt was around $10,000 from money that she borrowed from the bank for a car, and upon marrying my wife, became my wife's and my legal duty to pay off. Now that it's done, the entire extended family is debt free and doesn't need to worry about creditors or the government coming after us.
As for giving my wife too much money, I lessened it significantly after the big fight in 2012 (http://marriageispurgatory.blogspot.com/2012/11/last-fight.html), but in comparison to my single days, I still only keep a pittance. Insurance, supporting my mother-in-law, those kinds of things that I wouldn't have bothered with if I didn't marry.
Thanks for the concern; I know you were posting to convince me to lessen the money I give to my wife, so rest assured that's been done.
Thanks for you reply, I really appreciate it.
DeleteIt was in fact my initial thought that you got trapped this way and it is one of my main concerns that I voice towards good friends.
The law and the ruthlessness of women knows no boundaries.
That said, even though I'm end 20's I stay abstinent and can't complain. If that is the price for freedom, I'll pay it happily.
Again, best of look to you mate!
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DeleteYup, thanks again for your blog, it is greatly appreciated. Knowledge about the reality of marriage is hard to come by. But the internet and blogs like yours educate young men about the truth of what misery marriage can inflict on a man. Men give up and sacrifice a lot when they get married (less freedom, more responsibilities, obligations, debts, liabilities, stress and worries). Women seem to gain all of the benefits and advantages (a provider, more income and benefits (like his pension and health insurance access), and protector). Even if they divorce, the wife wins again, so the whole idea of marriage is a win-win proposition for the women, even if it fails. Married men must sacrifice, often immensely, to make their wives happy.
ReplyDeleteYoung men are socially conditioned by family, society, religion and culture to desire marriage and view it as bliss. Blogs like yours help people understand that not getting marriage and staying single is ok, and even better and healthier for a man in fact. Also, a man doesn't need to be married to have kids, if that is what they want.
I hope your situation improves and you do better. Your priority is your son which is good and I understand. I will continue to read your blog, so please keep us updated. You seem like a decent, interesting guy to make friends with and have a beer with.
All true. My son will never hear from me about how he needs to get married, and though I respect his freedom to make his own choices, I'm going to hammer him hard on not marrying from high school on.
DeleteThis too: More miserable married men:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mgtow.com/comments-from-married-men/
I've read through that whole thing, and like the Wordpress site linked above, couldn't stop reading to the end. Truly powerful stuff that every man should read not only before marrying, but when he's old enough to want to start dating.
DeleteYou seem to want to be a MGTOW/red pill guy (Men Going Their Own Way).
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https://www.youtube.com/user/ThoriumVideos/videos
Feminism LOL (Diana Davison):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVRQqUgDRBevsDGOeE1DL3A
Johntheother:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC255AfKquZnQMO0amxdEGWw
Sandman:
https://www.youtube.com/user/SandmanMGTOW/videos
Barbarossa:
https://www.youtube.com/user/barbarossaaaa/videos
MGTOW Kane:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Eugenepwnsyou1/videos
Messenger Rising:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwobag5HX2Zu4w66Rj3La3g
Niko Choski:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa4muLv9cUBSS4S3qadYuYA
Universalstudios13:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRZNEIOgioKlsSYr9bY9eqw
Moe Burg:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5QTYLn3x7HyqTlgMEg7hMg
Ayam Sirias:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClKX3TFp9YeEtAQMb2SML4Q
Terrence Popp:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwd_sSDZ8EQt6SEeOO2tBRA
Mayor of MGTOWN:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1abEGWjbMjUflq65IaLZsQ
Here are some more channels that are worth a look:
MGTOW United
Simply Strength
Uchiha Obito
Adigun Forest
VanSpeaks
Bachelor Not Looking
BlackRam313
Canadian MGTOW
Colttaine
Dark Knight
DudeDesi07
Edmond Dantes
Gomez da Sol
IamBaal
iMG TOW
ISlayPrettyLies
Jay Double Gee
Jaye De Black
KellyJones00
lawshorizon
LifeAfterWomen
M
Menoftheinfinite
MGTOW Truth
NoHoldsBarred
Not Sure
PaulProteus
PsychologicalCynic
PSYCHTOW
RazorBladeKandy2
RedPill INFJ
Reflections
Serin Edger
Shining Light
Spetsnaz
ThatCynicalCynicism
The Armchair Arsehole
The Sane Madman 103
Thunderf00t
TomLeykis1
Traversable Mgtow
Truth Quad
TruthOverEverything
War Horse
Wardrumsfire
WHISPERED77
Zeta X
Marcus A. Brown
I recognize a lot of those like Monkey, Ape, John, Terrence, Bar Bar and Sandman, but the others are unfamiliar. Thanks for sharing some more reading material.
Delete[Laughs] Marriages sucks for YOU. For those individuals who are married, it's wonderful. Men and women ought to decide whether or not to get hitched.
DeleteMarriage is a waste of male potential:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2elCeTsYdg
Essay on don't get married and why:
ReplyDeletehttps://dontmarry.wordpress.com
http://www.dontmarry.com
I've seen the male potential video many, many times, and it's spot on, thanks a lot. As for the dontmarry site, I linked it above as the site that opened my eyes, so again, thanks much for linking it. If that site couldn't do it, I would have been hopeless.
ReplyDeleteIf I had a nickel for every time a married friend told me they had to check with their wife for permission to do something or buy something, I would be very rich. And they say this stuff with pride, like their proud of their servitude to their wives. But as far as I can tell, their wives never ask for permission for doing the same things and they do whatever they want. Whenever I think I'm missing something in life by not being married, I reread The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar or The Predatory Female by Lawrence Shannon - that clears up any doubts about my decision to remain single real quick, and just affirms I made the right decision.
ReplyDelete“Tie yourself up with a woman, and like a chained convict, you lose all freedom . . . If you only know what women in general are! Egotism, vanity, silliness, triviality in everything. That’s what women are when they show themselves as they really are…No, don’t marry, my dear friend. Don’t marry!”
— Leo Tolstoy, “War and Peace”
I like your blog. It's like a beacon of truth in the darkest night for men that want to remain single, free, happy and sane.
Thanks for your words and for reading. Those men don't realize that the more they fail s*** tests by doing what their wives tell them, the worse the behavior gets.
DeleteThey wouldn't have to deal with any of that at all, or any other baggage of its sort, if they avoided marriage in the first place. Aside from transitory and meaningless social approval, what good do these men think they're accomplishing by caving to the little tyrant in their house?
Do not get married! Warning to single guys!:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN7tF8W1B2E
The betaization process:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/social-dynamics/the-betaization-process/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXUHLjraRWc
Men have to make themselves miserable in order to make their wives happy. Men sacrifice a lot in their lives to be married. Making your happiness dependent on another person is not healthy and is destructive.
ReplyDeleteWant to keep the wife happy? Be miserable or risk divorce:
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If it wasn't for the distraction that women and marriage entails for men, I honestly believe that we would have human space colonies on Mars and other planets as well. And we would be living in a far more technologically advanced society than what we have now, and peaceful and less violent too, since I believe that a lot of violence and war is perpetrated by men to curry favor with, and impress women. Long-term monogamous relationships and marriage are for women. When a man marries, all of his dreams and other aspirations in life are superseded by the wifes' needs and desires. My married friends often tell me of their wives' urging them to work more or get a higher income job to earn more, even though the job isn't what he wants to do. Marriage really makes men into slaves and actually limits their potential in life in my opinion. The notion that marriage makes men earn more or excel more is often bandied about, but I really believe that these married men could actually excel even more if they weren't married. Many of the greatest achievers in history were bachelor men, like Nikola Tesla. It's obviously ok to have relationships and socialize with women, but women should not be the primary focus of a mans' life. Marriage yokes the man to servitude to the wife. There has to be a better way for men and women to have relationships and raise children, without marriage.
ReplyDeleteSee:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/03/the-meaning-of-sacrifice/
http://madamenoire.com/226566/straight-from-his-mouth-5-ways-men-silently-sacrifice-for-their-relationships/
Yes, I always felt more motivated before I met my girlfriend with everything in life, be it work, friends, off time. Marriage is ten times worse than that time, though; so busy fighting fires and saving money that all I feel like doing is playing video games and traveling with my son.
DeleteWhy Marriage in the Western World is a BAD Deal for Men - THE NASTY TRUTH:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgL85sAKxMU
I may have missed this in your blog, but is your wifes' father around? Does your relationship with her father help or not?
ReplyDeleteHe was a gambler, and if he were still alive today, things would probably be even worse as I would have needed to pay off his debts as well. I think at that point, though, I would have probably just taken my wife and son to another country (NOT a western one; radical feminism has a transmission rate worse than any zombie virus you can think of) to live.
DeleteSo is your idea to divorce as soon as your son is in college (I've read various posts with the countdown in them)?
ReplyDeleteIt does sound like you're really not the kind of personality who should be married, even if it were a fantastic marriage, but you may want to also consider what the other options are at that time, rather than making a decision now, far in advance of that time, and then feeling later compelled, for reasons of pride or otherwise unrelated reasons, to see your plan through regardless. I am divorced, and had a crappy marriage, and I do like my freedom, but there are downsides to every life option, including singledom. That doesn't mean you won't do what you are planning now, and it still may be the best option at that time, but I think you should also be leery of locking yourself in prematurely. Your marriage has improved quite a bit, and that may continue ... lost of things happen in 12 years, really.
I understand what you mean. I've been thinking about what I'll do when the time limit is up, and I don't think I'll be divorcing. By the time my son is off at college and everything is handled regarding money, I'll be in my 50s and zoning in on death's door anyway. I don't know what I'll be able to do as a 50 something traveling the world, but I do know the strife the breakup would cause my wife and our son, whether or not our son is still with us.
DeleteI've also made a promise to my wife when we got married that I would take care of her, and though she gave me ample reason to break that promise when she used to act like a beast, she's changed enough to earn her place with me from now on.
The countdown is now ticking down from the moment I'm locked in one place to the moment I can start to make actual decisions about my life and get my freedom back. At that time, my wife will be a ball and chain around my ankle, rather than an anchor strapped to my back. I can deal with that for my family's sake, especially since I'll probably only have around ten or so years to live after that.
Hmm. Your reply that you likely will not divorce is inconsistent with your many threats to divorce. First, being in your 50's is no way near death's door, and if you do believe that, I'm wondering what else about life are you getting wrong. Second, if you are saying you are not divorcing her because you made a promise to your wife, then what is the purpose of your prolific posting of yours except as therapy that others will be reading this? Outside of that, you could have summed this up in two paragraphs. I think it is inconsistent that you continue to impart divorce to your readers in your many posts when you say here (and maybe only once) that you likely won't do it.
DeleteI have spoken of divorcing my wife after our son went to college in posts made three years ago, and my views on our marriage have changed since I put her back in her place and she's shaped up.
DeleteMy views have not changed on marriage as a whole: I advocate divorce for those who are married and childless (which I am not), but for married people with children (which I am), the only advice I had to give is how to keep their wives in line as best they can, and I have never once encouraged these men to leave their marriages.
If any post suggests otherwise (directly or indirectly), it needs to be changed, and I ask you to please show me a place where I have indicated that.
"Death's door" is certainly hyperbole, you are right, which is why I changed the line many months ago. But life as a 50 year old is certainly less active, energetic and free than the life of a 25 year old man, and I think we can agree that losing those middle 25 years to marriage is a shame.
The very first sentence of this top post answers your second comment.
Thank you for your honesty. I wish you the best and hope that things work out. I think you should just think of your son as much as possible and when your thoughts get grim, compare your mood to how you'd feel if your son was taken from this earth. Don't wish away his existence, I guess. I'm not trying to lecture you but just offering some help.
ReplyDeleteYour honesty is very much appreciated. I've never married (44yo) and I likely never will. When I hear accounts like this, it helps me a lot. I know I shouldn't
get support from others' difficulties but I indulge it. You give guys like me a lot of rejuvenation. I know that doesn't help you but maybe it helps you a little to know that your kind of honesty does mean a lot to people like me. Thanks and I wish you well. Just like you say; outside of a few warm moments of fatherhood (infancy, watching your boy play t-ball etc) there is just nothing there for fathers anymore. Lift weights and eat right and wait for that second chance at travel once the boy is on his own. I'm assuming you'll have to divorce at some point, right? Maybe not. Good luck and thanks.
I learned that lesson quickly; I spend all my free time and as much of the weekend as I can with my son, traveling to nearby cities around the country and playing games with him. Though he's the one who locked me into this marriage, none of the troubles associated with being married were ever tied to him... if that makes sense.
DeleteAnd I'm happy to hear what you've decided from this and other blogs, because the whole point of my writing is to break down my Goofus decisions to convince people like yourself to avoid marriage. Stay strong.
That's good. I think you need to understand that his whole life is due to you. That's lifelong value to you and I don't think you'll regret that. It just comes down to one of the eternal questions;
ReplyDelete-Is life a narrative pillared by the major moments that you look back on in old age
or
-Is life a series of moments (or days rather).
It's obviously a combination but a guy is going to shade to one side or the other. The childless and unmarried are going to have more 'good days' racked up but might feel empty on that old rocking chair, like "WTF just happened?"
The married fathers have a lot of crappy days sacrificed towards their ultimately classic narrative.
It would be a hard choice anyway. But the selfishness of modern women and the extraordinary blatant sexism of divorce laws, VAWA etc. make it an absolute no-go. It's so far out of the question simply due to probability of divorce and the misandric laws that it makes not even worry about regret later. It's not an option. Thank you for the "Stay Strong" comment. It means more than you could imagine. Most married guys will load up on the "Single guys are fags/losers" cognitive rationalizing to bolster their own decisions. I've had guys who were in the middle of horrible and tragic divorces just kind of look at me like "What's wrong with this fag?" THey still can't make the connection even in the middle of their life being ruined.
I agree, and in my view, living thirty or fourty years of almost guaranteed daily fun and adventure to top it off with five or ten years of possible loneliness or boredom is worth the trade off, simply by the math alone.
DeleteThe shaming/namecalling used to be effective against me, before every woman and woman worshipper I ever talked to used every insult in the book when I brought up why I don't like being married. I soon realized that people namecall when they have no good arguments, and as soon as the "mama's boy" "mother's basement" "lazy" "loser" or whatever calls come out, I know I'm right and can ignore everything else they say.
It also helps to have been beaten down so long by my wife and mother-in-law, strangers on the net, the daily push of the media narrative of "wife good husband bad," that when the time came for me to throw it all out, I was more than ready. Think Caesar's "No!" from Planet of the Apes.
The myth of the lonely old man:
ReplyDeletehttp://therationalmale.com/2011/09/12/the-myth-of-the-lonely-old-man/
Also, when you're an old American guy, you can always go to southeast asia where there are plenty of young, attractive and pleasant women eager to be your companion if that is what you want.
Hey man,
DeleteI'll be there right alongside you in SE Asia, gumming some 19 year olds boobs. Another 'good day' added to the tally. Ha ha.
I would have had a hard time marrying even if women were cool and the laws were fair. So I have to thank the insane overreach of feminism for making my choices for me. Divorce probability is about 65%. I'm not rich, not tall etc.. So if, IF, I somehow landed a 9, my divorce probability would be a solid 97% or so unless she got fat which would also be terrible. All of a sudden, I have to cut a monthly check to an enemy who wrecked my life. Unimaginable. I'll just chew on young Asian girls and drink some single malt and consider myself lucky.
And contribute the decline of Western Civilization in the process. Perpetual adolescence.
Delete@MGTOW'd Out: And who's fault is that? Weak and ignorant men who gave into womens' demands and women themselves.
Delete"And contribute the decline of Western Civilization in the process. Perpetual adolescence."
Delete@MGTOW'd out: Are you indicating that men who remain bachelors are being childish and immature?
The greatest minds in human achievement have been bachelors (Copernicus, Michelangelo, Tesla, to name a few). Exceptional achievement requires bachelorhood - that is how destructive marriage is to men. Men have achieved great advances in technology through history not because of women, but in spite of them. Marriage is a heavy yoke around mens' necks. If more men were not so weak and ignorant when it comes to women, there would be human colonies on Pluto by now, and we would be driving around in hover cars years ago.
"This study suggests that most married men, live lives of quiet and unrelenting despair."
ReplyDeleteSuicide by Female:
http://sheddingoftheego.com/?p=659
The Happy Bachelor's Forum:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.happybachelorsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19587
I believe that staying together for the kids is more harmful to children than getting a divorce:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1qpp3l/i_believe_that_staying_together_for_the_kids_is/
If you do get divorced once your son is grown up, how will you protect YOUR hard earned assets from being stolen away???
ReplyDeleteThis is a big issue for men. Turning them into economic slaves to women and the state.
It depends where one is located. The blogger is an American, but he is not living in the US with his family (and foreign wife), so the marriage and divorce laws are not the same. Most countries are not as anti-male as the US.
DeleteThings are ok now regarding the laws, but by the time my son is off to college in 2027, who knows how much the laws will have changed. Man-hating laws and socialism are grabbing countries left and right, and I think it's only a matter of time before this one goes, too.
ReplyDeleteMy wife has changed well to curtail her bad behavior thanks to the advice I've gotten from other married men, so I probably won't be divorcing her. I'll be in my 50s by the time I've gotten all my debts and such settled, so my sex drive will be in the pits and all I'll want to do from then is travel. At that point, she has the choice to either come with me or stay put somewhere, because I've spent more than enough time sacrificing my dreams to marriage to do it every day until I die.
I do have to watch out for a divorce strike by her, though, and stay away from America for the rest of my life. She files there, it's all over.
One thing to think about: What if the divorce laws in the country where you are living change over time into American-Style, anti-male divorce laws over time, and she divorces you?
ReplyDeleteI still think that it is ok for people to divorce if they are not happy, even when they have children. I think children can do well in such a situation if it is done properly, especially if you can have an amicable divorce while your still on good terms with your wife. I think divorce now would be better for a young-ish couple, and being cognizant of your wifes' feelings (the younger she is, the more likely she can find another suitable partner and not be alone). Remember: Women generally decrease in appeal to men as they age, but men not so much, and age can actually increase a mans' appeal to women in many cultures I think.
Good point; I'm already keeping my eye on the changing legal winds, so no need to worry on that point.
DeleteAnd I'd rather not leave my son with his grandma, aunt and his mother, when I can't control the latter's bad behavior and mood swings anymore as her ex-husband, and the former two have a track record of awful behavior to everyone around them. But thanks all the same for the advice.
you have to thik what example are you setting for your son. Is he gonna suffer the same as you?
ReplyDeleteMy father left when I was 6, and I won't. My mother was a borderline, and I keep his in line. I married because I didn't know any better, and I'll make sure I drill it into his head that he never does.
DeleteI'm concerned for my boy for sure and appreciate your worry, as well. I think in the end, though, he'll have a better time of it than me. Thanks for your comment and concern.
I admire your honesty. The thing is, you are absolutely not alone. Most men just don't want to admit how miserable and pointless getting married truly is. The truth needs be be known and all men have to start living for themselves.
ReplyDeleteAt 33 I feel like a dodged a bullet. Happily single, vasectomy, freedom. I have never met a happily married man in my life.
MGTOW my friends.
MGTOW is an amazing movement. Stay with it, control your mind, live with integrity, and never give up your freedom without proper recompense.
DeleteGoogle MGTOW.
ReplyDeleteDo not get married.
Do not have children.
Distance yourself from entanglements with women.
Do the work you want, as much as you need to.
Enjoy your hobbies and pursuing interests.
Have a mission in life and work on it every day.
Women will only make you miserable and subtract from your life, they will not add to it.
Listen to this commenter, folks; it's too late for me, it might not be for you.
DeleteYou're famous! (maybe among mgtow anyway): Thinking Ape (Stardusk) made a video about your blog:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE1oe4qeqvI
Thanks for the link; I'm not sure I want to check out the video, because I've had links and trackbacks from several different places in the last few months, and only one of them hasn't been filled with namecalling, strawmen and moral relativism. Then again, this is the inimitable Stardusk we're talking about...
DeleteYou should watch the video. I think Stardusk gave you a good shoutout for your blog. The comments are generally positive and supportive, just ignore the occasional wack-jobs. You should give a holla back right back at Stardust by leaving a comment there. Your blog is awakening men to the truth and reality and saving their lives.
DeleteI watched the video and read the comments, and was surprised to see how fair they were. Stardusk only missed the fact that I stay married to keep my son's mother's side of the family from hurting him, but otherwise, he hit it all on the nose. I think I need to update a previous post where I said that there is no support for married men; I think the coincidental triple pack of shaming links colored my perceptions of how married men are treated by male writers online.
DeleteHey man, I have been reading your blog, I feel your pain.
ReplyDeleteI want you to listen to me, do not ignore these words.
1) Do a DNA test on your son, seriously, don't assume is yours.
2) I think she is cheating, install a keylogger on her computer and mobile, get into her FB account, mails etc. Grab all the evidence, and use it for divorce to get favorable treatment. If she is not doing it already, she will soon, open your eyes.
I have been on both sides, so please listen. We only have 1 life, so it's better for you to escape the misery. You can't be waiting 4,500 days until you start enjoying your life. If I were you i'd escape to another country and never contact her again, your son will understand some day.
Thanks for your worry, but I can't leave my son. My father leaving me with my borderline mother led me to five suicide attempts in college, and my son's mother is in a similar way. I was too young and naive to recognize the red flags, but now that she's in control due to my heavy influence, leaving him would keep him with not just her, but her sister and mom, too.
DeleteA fifty-fifty divorce would leave my son with them two weeks out of the month, far too long for me to keep him out of harm's way. His mom would surely go back to her old ways without me around to hold her leash. Everything I do is for my son.
Marriage is only for women and homosexuals. Its not a wise choice to make even if a child is involved. It should be understood that marriage is nothing but a legal agreement to form a corporation of 2 people.
ReplyDeleteAlmost every married man I know only seems happy when they are away from their family. It was really bad when I was in the military because many of the higher ranking staff hated going home so much they would force everyone to work longer hours.
I've heard military cheating is epidemic; a recruiter for the Navy tried to get me before I headed off to college, and I'm glad I refused. Who knows how much worse things could have been if I married in America while serving.
DeleteNefarious women that target men in the military for marriage bamboozlement know that they can get access to the mans' benefits and retirement plans.
DeleteWomen cheating on their husbands in the military:
Deletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182394/Marine-goes-home-early-surprise-wife-finds-cheating-man.html
"My daughters husband is in the Army. This had gotten to be so prevalent that when they return from deployment the Family Readiness group calls each household beforehand to let them know they have husbands returning home. They went this route after several wives were murdered after the husband caught them in just these situations. Oh yeah."
Wives cheating on their husbands when deployed is notoriously well known to be very common. Why these guys even bother to get married is beyond stupidity.
Look at marriage as a business contract, which the government, courts and apparently most women do. Why should the man view it as anything different? Men are afflicted with the delusion of romantic love, and women exploit this feature in men for marriage and enslavement. If you don't get any benefits, why get married?
ReplyDeleteIf you were forming a business with another man, would you accept the same contract terms, obligations, and liabilities as what men accept when getting married?
Divorce won't be the end of the world for your son. He would benefit, knowing that his dad is happy. Mankind has existed for thousands of years without marriage contracts and people lived, had children and turned out fine.
Divorce would leave him with his out of control mother's side of the family. My influence would mean nothing two weeks out of the year, and his mother would surely become the beast that she was from 2010-2012 again if I no longer had any sway over her behavior. Believe me, I've thought this through for years, and this is the best thing I can do for him. Things are peaceful now that I know how men are supposed to be, and I will get my life back in due time.
DeleteBy the way, I agree completely about the business analogy. I hope you're telling every man you know these words if they're planning to make this mistake.
"... his mother would surely become the beast that she was from 2010-2012 again if I no longer had any sway over her behavior."
DeleteAhh, the female beast. Women wear a mask of femininity and docility that belies their true wiley, destructive and manipulative nature. Arthur Schopenhauer was right with his understanding of female nature. Unfortunately, most men learn about the true nature women the hard way when it's too late in marriage, when women get more leverage and power with the legal system.
Most professional counselors I've talked to when in a similar situation have said that it is better for a father to be emotionally healthy for his kids even if that means leaving an unhealthy marriage.
DeleteI was suckered in for sure.
DeleteAnd I'm better emotionally then I was when I was subservient to my wife's beastly behavior, so thanks for that. If I left, it's my son's mother and her family that would be free to return to the lizard-like cavewomen they were when I wasn't the patriarch of this extended family. I don't like what that would mean for my son.
I think Sandman reads this blog and took this idea to make a video on marriage contracts:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oswA6GTXdf0
Thanks for the compliment that I might be influencing the men out there against marriage. I think I was more influenced by them first, though. They really did me a service to pull my wife down from her leadership position three years ago.
DeleteFred on marriage:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dontmarry.com
http://www.fredoneverything.net/marriage.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/DontMarry.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/MoonPie.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Reimer.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Silicone.shtml
http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-13.htm
Thanks for the links; I always need more reading material in case I'm making a mistake like acting too soft, or being too whiny.
DeleteNot all men stand up and support their child....to many men just walk away and leave the woman to raise their child/children both emotionally and financially all by themselves! Even if a man and woman can't make their relationship work both parents should stand up as adults and raise the child by giving them love , support and all tools they need to have a great life! There are cases where the woman walk away leaving the father to raise the child/children alone but in more cases its the men who walk leaving the woman to struggle as the single parent!! Marriage isn't as crucial to raise a well rounded child but having both parents love and support is
ReplyDeleteI agree, but leaving my wife would likely lead her to becoming the woman she was in the Fights post again, and would expose my son to more of his aunt and grandmother's antics.
DeleteWhy did you pay off her mother and sister's debts?
ReplyDeleteLegally, they became my responsibility after I married my wife.
DeleteHow did her sister and mother legally become your responsibility? I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out how this works.
DeleteI understand, so I'll explain a bit further. My wife's mom and sister have been perpetually out of work, or underachieving, for many years while my wife paid for them (I didn't know about any of this until it was too late).
DeleteWhen their inability to pay debts hit the government's ears, repayment fell on the closest family member with money to pay off the car loan, college debts, etc... I didn't know about this either; the manosphere was in its infancy, none of my family prepared me, and I thought marriage and childrearing was an amazing life before I knew the truth. I still blame myself and take full responsibility for my lack of foresight, though.
It's all done now, and won't happen again. After I took my wife to task and she took her position to the side and slightly beneath me again, she told her family that we would move and leave no forwarding address if they dared bring their sloth on me again.
"Legally, they became my responsibility after I married my wife."
DeleteCompletely false. Again, how did you manage this and why did you do it?
I also do not understand why you paid the debts of others simply because of your marriage. Perhaps it is something about the laws in your country (which is unknown) but I and many others are unfamiliar with the concept. It actually sounds like someone made it up to get your money. Clarification?
DeletePerhaps the laws are different, perhaps my wife or her family were mistaken/lying. She told me the bank and government would squeeze us after they squeezed her mother.
Deleteetype, am with you all the way. I once met this woman who tricked me into the same situation (lied to me that she's taking the pill). I acted cool, accepted and tried my best for my son. My people visited her people and had a traditional ceremony, but in the process she brought her older sister (lazy and mannerless) with her child. Her younger sister and brother joined in later. Her mother also technically moved into our place (every weekend) when she knew I had done shopping for my very young family. I tried talking the the mother of my kid but she acted like they(her people) were entitled to a share of what I do for my family. Her mother sensed my growing resentment towards their behaviour encouraged her daughter (the mother of my child) to start dating her boss since he had a business and was loaded with cash. I was in my final year of university pursuing Information Technology. My parents also helped pay for her college tuition while she also worked. My grades dropped drastically and I developed high-blood pressure and put under observation for a while (I was only 25 years old then). I was basically,depressed. I tried to talk to the mother of my kid but she did not listen to me hence I decided to take it upon myself and turn my life around (I hate retrogressive situations). I broke up with her and she carried on her affair with her boss who later dumped her after a few months. She then came looking for me but I told her that had made my decision and it was final. I told her she can keep the kid and if she thinks she can't manage she has the option of letting the kid stay with me. But I made it very clear to her about my decision that I am totally done with her and the drama with her people. They (her mother and sisters) told me I wont have access to my son if that is the case. Her eldest sister contacted me 5 years later I think for a possible reunion and told me told me that she got another kid in the process I got to see my son again. The money that she received for the up-keep of my son was spent on entertaining a foreigner who got her pregnant and bailed on her. I have personally come to hate the whole idea of marriage because during the 3 years of the relationship I became so unhappy. I am further being coerced to accept the other/somebody's child as mine so that I can access my son. I can't even make myself do that considering what this woman did prior to our break up. This is absolute BS. I decided to take an insurance policy for my son's education which can be accessed when I goes to college or university under the condition that the institution of learning receives the money and I get a report on his performance otherwise nothing happens. I am much happier by myself than when I was this woman. I managed to pursue my studies further and worked with several multinationals as a Computer and Software Engineer. I love live, rather I love my life.
ReplyDeleteI think you're making a mistake to remain married, even with a child. What makes you think that you can't raise your son well being single? You only have one life.
ReplyDeleteIt's his mother, aunt and grandmother's behavior I'm worried about. My son only has one life, too, and I don't want him growing up in an environment like I did with my mom, aunt and grandma all living in the same house and all completely bonkers.
DeleteI have been reading some of your entries today, and all i gotta say is wow. I come from a hispanic somewhat traditional and conservative background, where family is very important, and moving in together is a nono..until her father sees paper or a ring.. Add that to the fact that she is handicapped..so, the truth is she will have a hard time finding a job..luckily for me, my sperm doesnt work and i rather have a dog or cat.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, she says she'll always be that sweet person she is...that has no malice in her heart, etc.. so we will see.. we been together for two yearss, but still i got some things to think abut.
Thanks for reading, and I'm worried for you; I know the pressure of family to do dumb things like marry can be hard to shake off. I suggest you stay with her if you wish, but remember that women don't usually change until they know they have you trapped.
DeleteBy the time you marry to see her true self, it will be too late, especially if you live in a place that violates men on their way out of marriage.
Please tell me you got a paternity test to make sure your son is in fact yours.
ReplyDeleteI didn't, because he looks exactly like me and is clearly a mixed child with my color, hairline, finger shape and more. He's also been with me for seven years, so even by the small chance he isn't mine, I still wouldn't leave him behind.
DeleteBut I've gotten this advice multiple times, so if everyone thinks it's a good idea, I'll take him to the hospital and check to make sure.
We don't have much in common - I'm a woman, been married 7 years, have 3 beautiful children, love my husband and feel I have grown tremendously as a person in the course of marriage - but I am struck by your sincerity and truly sorry for your unhappiness.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that stands out a lot in many of your posts is the presence of your mother-in-law. She sounds plain vicious. I'm not sure how you put up with her. Is there no possibility of distancing your family from her? Your family situation may be a lot healthier if you could, say, move away.
Thanks for the comment and advice. My wife's mother had been a thorn in my side since the beginning, sure, but it was nothing compared to the spine-crushing anchor that was my wife and her behavior a few years ago.
DeleteI've taken every single member of my family to task (except my son, who's an angel), and everything is as peaceful as it's going to get.
I'm now living on a life of daily gruel without freedom, time, money or dreams, which is my final problem with marriage now. I laid it out in this post:
http://marriageispurgatory.blogspot.com/2011/11/blame-and-second-chances.html
In essence, my son is a blessing, but my marriage is a siphon. As such, I still don't recommend this institution to any man, especially considering the lopsided amount of challenges and threats he receives due to the court system's treatment of them in the west.
Most importantly, I'm glad to hear that you're doing great, and wish you and yours the best.
Marriage has never been a good deal for men. There is the myth of the "good old days" when women stayed at home and the husband worked.
Delete@Mrs. Anna T: So your husband slaves away at work for you, while you stay at home? Marriage is based on concession, not compromise, where the husband concedes to the wife. The wife' needs, wants, and dreams supersede those of the husband. Marriage is a dream killer for men. Married men may kid themselves that they are happy, but most are really not.
ReplyDeleteClarification: while we were dating, my husband told me he is looking for a wife who would be a homemaker and who would homeschool the kids. I wanted that as well. Now I am a homemaker and a homeschooling mom, and we are living a very simple life in a small house in the country, just as we both wanted. We both got just what we bargained for.
DeleteI should also add my husband says he doesn't understand why women take on Adam's curse (toil) in addition to Eve's curse (childbearing). He has also remarked we are far better off financially with me providing child care, breast milk, frugal meals, thrift shopping for clothes, etc, than his brothers whose wives work but spend more than they earn.
Delete"... the spine-crushing anchor that was my wife and her behavior a few years ago."
ReplyDeleteMost married men give in to their wives, supplicating to them. Culture in the west conditions men to worship women, thus the "The happy wife, happy life" mantra, which actually makes things worse. The husband becomes slavish and servile to the wife, thereby making himself miserable, and the wife becomes worse because women are insatiable and self-centered. Women lose respect for men that don't lead.
I certainly learned this one the hard way.
DeleteFeminism and gynocentricity have doomed western civilization.
ReplyDeleteOnce a man learns about the truth regarding marriage, VAWA, anti-male marriage and divorce laws and family courts, and female nature, how can he even rationally contemplate marriage and even having children? Increasing numbers of men will go mgtow. The only men that will be getting married will be the ignoramuses, the fools, and the very religious men.
I predict a massive plummet in marriage and birth rates in western countries in the near future.
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GQV2HkGmY
Thankfully, I never married or had kids. One of the things that confirms to me that marriage sucks is when I ask or hear married guys I know mention something like "I love my wife, but if anything happens to her I wouldn't get married again." Nuff said. If marriage is so wonderful that you wouldn't go through with it "again", then it must suck the first time around.....at least for the guys.
ReplyDeleteMarriage is a dream killer for men:
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Married users of the secret sharing app, Whisper have revealed what their sex lives are like now that they are husband and wife (It's not good):
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ReplyDeletehttp://sheddingoftheego.com/2015/08/01/ ... -feminism/
This comment was posted by an anti-feminist woman:
"I hate to admit it but most of the younger woman here - including myself do not feel much empathy or compassion for men. Instead, we generally use men as a mirror to reflect our own vanity. And often we provoke their desires in cruel and capricious ways, simply for our own self gratification. Only our children can inspire a true feeling of love within us – at least if we have normal maternal affections.
In reality, our primary interest in men is obtaining a life of comfort and security – both for ourselves and our children – which is why we still value marriage.And since younger men are becoming increasingly reluctant to marry, many of us are proclaiming to be antifeminists to help assuage their fears end secure a long-term commitment.
Fortunately for women men’s sense of chivalry is still strong. Men are still eager to believe that women have a caring and unselfish nature. So by feigning compassion for men, we are likely to find a husband with good financial prospects, a husband whom we can always divorce if we become dissatisfied, while continuing to enjoy an affluent lifestyle.
That I’m afraid is the real nature of women. Perhaps this page should be renamed “The myth of female beneficience”. And yet, even though I am revealing our inner motivations, most men will despise me because they prefer a beautiful lie to a painful truth. However, in spite of my selfish instincts, I have spoken the truth, fully aware that you shall only heap derision upon me."
Great Blog! I can totally relate!! (even if my situation differs.)
ReplyDelete- Males should be talking to other Males about this stuff. And about how the cultural norm, as well as the legal system, is wholly & thoroughly stacked in the woman's favor. My Dad didn't warn me, and I paid the highest price possible. Loss of Personal Liberty is CRIMINAL !!!
- I should have NEVER put a ring on it. Marriage was, by far, the LARGEST MISTAKE I every made. And that includes some VERY stupid stuff; Life threatening stuff. I am NOT exaggerating.
- I do LOVE my two children. They are two of the best things that ever happened to me. Seriously, they are great "back-drops" in my life. YES: back-drops. And no, they are NOT more than that, and they shouldn't be more than that, as their lives are their own, NOT mine! Still, that said: mtn biking is MUCH more gratifying part of my life than my children are. As is Motorcycling, Rock Climbing, Karate, Health club time, & yes: Funky-Ass-Play w my kinky GF.
- BOTH pregnancies were TRAPS. The first kept me from dumping her in a mid-western state (usa) and going back to Calif & College. The second kept me from dumping her & the first born when it became clear she was "socially engineering" the household to justify anything she wanted, including my servitude (working a job I hated to give all the money to her.) More debt meant more power for her, and less time for me to notice how FUK'd up my life had become.
- Trap #3 didnt get sprung. She couldn't get pregnant again, so she couldn't use MY HONOR & MORALITY as a weapon against me. And that is when she started to come wholly and completely unhinged (emotionally.)
- Trap #4 didn't get sprung either. She said (after working my ass off for 20 years) that she didn't think I should climb any higher on the corporate ladder. I continued to excel... After all THEY appreciated me, & she DIDN'T. Still, after 30 years, I was still being honorable, dutiful, & even faithful, to a woman that TRAPPED me, & purposefully withheld sex.
- Trap #5 was the emotional barrage (hinted at above) , and included marriage counseling, to which she made up the stupidest crap for the (female) counselor's ears. The counseling was "her show" and every meeting her stupidity got worse and worse. She would say anything, literally ANYTHING, except the TRUTH. Finally it dawned on her (the ex) that she had wholly crossed all boundaries, and lost any trace of respect I once held for her.
- Trap #6: Hatred. She whipped out the hatred card. Hating me. Blaming me. Shaming me. Right up to the edge of being violent against me. Hell, I was worried she would poison me, and I bet she would have if she thought she could have gotten away with it. So, I stopped eating her (shitty) cooking, to make a point (and just let her guess what the point was. I'm pretty sure she got it.) If I would have hated her back- which I didn't, I pitied her- she would have used that as a weapon against me, to some effect (laws being what they are.)
- Snares: Yes, after marriage there will be snares. And if you don't think that they are there, you are in for a HUGE AWAKING. Yes, the kids will be used as pawns on the Chess-Board of your ex's *self-created, emotional victimhood status, & Male-hatred tirades. Yes, she will deploy all the lies of Feminism, against you, via the children...... and that SELFISHNESS is what Wives (not women, wives, & ex-wives) call "true love"
TL;DR - check out the book: Men On Strike, by Dr. Helen Smith. and Men, NEVER MARRY; NEVER COMMIT !!!!!
The traps of marriage and pregnancy that millions of men fall into, I can definitely relate. It's good to hear that you're one of the few who won't fall into that trap again.
Delete"We were using protection. How could she possibly be pregnant?"
ReplyDeleteI believe she intentionally got pregnant. Women use pregnancy to force a relationship onto men.
I wish I got a nickel every time I've heard: "My girlfriend "unexpectedly" got pregnant, and I had to do the right thing,... ." Most men believe this, but I believe otherwise. Women can be very sneaky and coy about things.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. I've asked her and she denied it of course, but I have a suspicion she did.
DeleteThe most important decision that any woman makes in life is who she chooses as a husband, not her college major, not where to live or go to school, or anything else, unless of course, it affects her chances of meeting and getting an appropriate husband - This choice determines the rest of her life, her fate and destiny, and she either consciously or unconsciously deeply and viscerally understands this notion. When women marry a man, they instantly acquire his status and identity, that's why they like to marry-up. When a woman marries a doctor for example, she acquires his status, fortune, life-style and identity, by default, and with all of the esteem and prestige associated with it - All of that stuff just by getting married.
ReplyDeleteWomen are socially programmed since the time they are little girls to dream about their future husband, home and family life. How many little boys dream about weddings? None, it's little girls.
Children are merely the cement that bind the man to the woman as husband and wife in marriage. Normal men will not abandon their children, and women understand this very well (Esther Vilar called children "hostages" for a good reason.). Men will sacrifice themselves and work themselves to death for their wife and children, and women understand this very well.
As Arthur Schopenhauer indicated: Nature gave women cunning and guile, instead of physical strength. Women are unlike men in many significant respects: physically, psychologically and emotionally. Woman are amoral, and their survival depended on this trait.
"The most important decision that any woman makes in life is who she chooses as a husband, ..."
ReplyDeleteI think this is more true in non-Western Countries.
Thank you for your blog John. I was wronged a couple years ago by my first girlfriend. She really opened my eyes to the amount of power women have over men in the legal system here in the United States. Luckily we did not marry. The lesson cost me must less than if we had been.
ReplyDeleteAs I read this blog and consider my future, I have to wonder: what is the best way to have a relationship with a woman? I especially enjoy having money and having freedom, but I would like the companionship that a woman can bring me. I also have no desire to have children. Would it be reasonable to find a woman who is comfortable never getting 'legally' married and have a long term relationship with her? What do you think?
Hi and I'm glad to hear you made it out of your situation ok.
DeleteIf you're going to develop a long term relationship with a western woman, you'll need to maintain your power throughout the relationship, swat aside all of her s*** tests, never back down, never apologize and have the attitude that you're ready to leave at a moment's notice if she ever got out of line. It can work, but it will take work as well.
Also, if you don't want children, you should get a vasectomy or at the very least never trust her when she says she's on birth control. It's a standard and socially acceptable con that women run to keep men in their lives to get purposefully pregnant, and if you refuse to marry her, she may look to get pregnant to force you into it.
Personally, if I had a choice only of women born and raised in the west and I wasn't allowed to leave the country, I wouldn't even bother. If my choice was between the life of a monk, and living with an abrasive, loudmouthed, selfish, lazy, obese, hairy, violent, illogical, frigid, money-sucking and confrontational western woman, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.
Single Parents And Their Children: Don’t Believe The Prophecies Of Doom:
ReplyDeletehttp://belladepaulo.com/2013/03/single-parents-and-their-children-dont-believe-the-prophecies-of-doom/
It's scientific fact, single life is superior:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201405/23-ways-single-people-are-better-the-scientific-evidence
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Was married for four years and am now divorced. Suffered through a false accusation of physical abuse which deeply harmed me psychologically and took me years to get over. False accusations are the go to strategy now to maximize the divorce payout. I thank my lucky stars every day that we didn't have children. If we did - I'm certain I'd be dead. Went through the parasite mother-in-law forced wealth transfer thing as well.
ReplyDeleteYou could not pay me to be in another relationship - never mind marriage. Hind sight being 20/20, I'm astonished and humiliated that - given all of the marriage-destroyed men I'd known in my life - I still gave a woman supreme legal and financial power over my life through marriage. It's as though I thought myself impervious to their disastrous fates. I'll never get over my own ignorance and unbridled stupidity. My decision to get married dwarfs any other mistake I'd made by thousands if times over. I'm the most fortunate man alive to have made it out relatively unscathed.
My waking thought first thing each and every morning is how grateful and fortunate I am to be unmarried and to have zero ties with my X or any of my X's family. When I look back, I cannot believe I gave a woman the power to legally and financially destroy my life - which is the power you give a woman when you get married. DON'T ANYONE MENTION PRENUPS. THEY ARE WORTHLESS. I will forever regret my decision to marry and will gladly remain single for the remainder of my days. I don't even let women in my house anymore and haven't for several years.
The reason tens upon tens of millions of men, in the US alone, have been destroyed through marriage and divorce is because marriage is a gigantic scam to force wealth and power from men to women. VERY FEW WILL SHARE THIS TRUTH WITH YOU. I can not get over how blind I was to this fact going into marriage. What an imbecile I was. Never give a woman the ring of power. If you do, it is highly likely that she will one day self-actualize, convert from NAWALT to AWALT and use that ring of power to destroy your life.
I'm eternally grateful for my singleness and the second chance I've been given to live my life free from the incredibly destructive, inhumane, life destroying and crucifying power women wield over men through marriage and relationships.
Thank you very much for sharing your story. So many sugar coat, live in denial and even go so far as to encourage others into their boat of misery. You're saving lives by telling it like it is and reinforcing these truths in the minds of those like me that learned their lessons the hard way. My wish for you is that you find freedom and peace one day soon.
Thanks a lot for your story; more men need to hear what folks like you have experienced. Stay single, stay free, and I'll keep this blog up as long as people need it.
DeleteTwo of the most dangerous myths American men have about women and marriage:
ReplyDelete1. The foreign women are better myth. No, they aren't. Female nature is the same everywhere. If you marry her and bring her back to the US, she will most probably be affected by society and culture in a negative way and she will change.
2. The prenup myth. Many men think that if they get a prenup they can protect themselves from a divorce. No, they don't help you as a man. They give a false sense of security for the man and are regularly thrown out by courts.
Truth. I dated one and married another foreign woman and they both became exactly like the overweight, abrasive, entitled, unhygenic, selfish, lazy, money sucking etc... women I've always known in my days in America. Though I've put my wife back in her place, there's no guarantee that every woman can accept a similar role, and many women the world over still wield the power of the courts no matter how you treat them.
DeleteTrying to explain to the previous generation (who got married in the 1960's) why you aren't getting married is difficult. The numerous societal changes: like marriage, divorce and the role of women, between the 1960's and now just doesn't register with many of these older folks. My father died recently, disappointed in my refusal to marry. In the 60's, if a man didn't get married, there must have been something seriously wrong with him (gay, pedophile, psychopath--whatever). I'm not saying that marriage was fun for men back then; BUT at the very least, a man could SAFELY invest everything in his family, without fear of the wife taking everything away in a divorce. There were clear-cut rules about divorce back then: don't hit them & don't get caught cheating--were the two big ones. Nowadays, as I tried to explain to my dad several times, My wife would likely divorce me in less than 5 years, and the Family Courts would bend over backwards making sure my exwife was happy--giving her my children, my house and 40--65% of my monthly income for the next 20 years! None of that seemed to make a difference to that generation.
ReplyDeleteOh well. As for the next generation, well, unless things improve with regard to divorce and the actions of the Family Court..., I will not be adding any children. All in all, I blame the greedy courts, lawyers & judges that women use to take almost everything a man has to offer. My country is being filled by children from broken homes and outright bastards. In 15 years it will be a much bigger mess than it is now. I think I will be doing my potential children a favor by NOT bringing them into existence.
Absolutely. This has played out before in empires such as Rome and led to their utter collapse, but with debt-based economies chugging right along all over the world today, it's hard to say what's going to become of the future in this modern age. Societal collapse? Power vacuum filled by a more traditional country? World war 3?
DeleteI feel bad for bringing my boy into this, and I need to make sure he knows to avoid marriage and live in places that are still in the "Revolution" or "Prosperity" stages of the endless cycle of governments. He needs to know to avoid marriage and hostile governments wherever possible.
dont get married, not worth it have the kids and dump the vessel, not worth it in long run,
ReplyDeleteRedonkulas-senpai is commenting on my blog? Be right back, need smelling salts!
Delete@Terrence Popp: Can you do a shout-out video on this blog on your youtube channel? This blog needs to go viral. It's saving mens' lives.
ReplyDeleteI wish I read your blog before I got married. I came from a tradition where un-married men are consider failure, and marriage is some sort of a bench market of your market value. That's alone should've told me that I am being trated nothing more than a walk utility & atm machine.
ReplyDeleteListen to this brother, and never get married
I hear you. I wish I could go back in time and knock myself out, tie me up in a dark room and reprogram myself to understand the truth of marriage and women before all my idiot mistakes.
DeleteI've written a few posts in the last few months about improving marriage, if you're stuck with children like I am. I hope they prove useful to you.
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ReplyDeleteIf they really want to save their marriage, then couples need to put their efforts. Otherwise there will be no future of marriage.
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